Very frustrating given it’s about 3m wide – people would just cross against the light (and presumably, Mr/Ms Police would book them for jaywalking instead of the red light runners). Welcome to the Digital Spy forums. Either you'd have to be driving too fast for the conditions or not paying attention. No wonder councils keep making bad infrastructure, in some cases it seems they’re required to. Yes - THERE IS NO OBLIGATION TO STOP if someone is waiting.
All Rights Reserved - Primenewsghana.com. Another silly new signalled crossing is for the tiny laneway (Caledonian ln) for delivery trucks to Emporium. Dear City of Maribyrnong and/or VicRoads, I’m confused. I'm not speeding maniac, its just someonetimes it makes more sense to drive through depending on the business of the road and who has arrived at the crossing first. That saying the only ones I see now are the ones in the car park at our local shopping mall.
It’s not helped by the red man being the default. I wonder how many zebra crossings in carparks have been refered to VicRoads and have the appropriate signs etc. Actually, if you hit a driver from behind there are few if any circumstances where it's not your fault. THE ZEBRA CROSSING IS NOT FOR ZEBRAS, IT’S FOR HUMANS. I think about a year ago they painted zebra crossing lines as well. zebra crossing, or otherwise? when they are often not required and just cause more clutter and confusion.
There were 2 put outside GCHQ, near me, and those never had …
Not sure why more lights can’t automatically include a default pedestrian phase, with the button press extending it for infirm, etc. All Rights Reserved. This includes St. Kilda Rd. Why do people get so annoyed and even shout and wave at you if you drive through a zebra crossing when they are waiting? I would have stopped anyway, but technically I think the OP is right. Dear City of Maribyrnong and/or VicRoads.
And even those who know its significance clearly ignore it. Are you meant to wait for the green man, or not?
As for the confusing intersection above, surely that isn’t conforming to any standard. I got distracted by the bicycle facility stuff; it’s interesting that it hasn’t been updated in 15 years, and actually codifies some terrible ideas. Flood of people cross the busiest zebra crossing in the world - Shibuya Tokyo Japan 日本 - Duration: 1:58.
So who gives way to who then? It should probably just be a crossing with no lights or pavement markings. Even better was he also apparently thought car insurance was optional.
If a pedestrian is not on the crossing then the car has right of way.
You obviously don't know the Highway Code.
I'm assuming this is a wind-up, nobody could be that ignorant.
This is the corner of Nicholson and Droop Streets, in Footscray.. how the heck did this divit pass their driving test?????? DIGITAL SPY, PART OF THE HEARST UK ENTERTAINMENT NETWORK. © 2016 - 2020. While the lines painted on the road and signals give the impression that pedestrians should press the button and wait for the green man, in the streetview link above you can see a sign on the left with “Give way to pedestrians”.
How many tram routes have low-floor trams. If I see that I can safely cross a street I usually don’t bother pressing the button and then waiting for a green man.
I’ve been in situations where motorists will sit there giving way to pedestrians, whom will refuse to cross until they get their green man or else they’d be jay-walking. Are there other spots like this with confusing and/or contradictory road markings? Looks like a council money making scam to me…, Here’s another ridiculous example at Kew Junction (which is full of all sorts of ridiculous traffic signals, like the useless bus lane). Now it doesn’t make sense. Perhaps they still need the cars coming out of Nicholson Street to wait for a green, but there must be some other combination of markings they could use that isn’t contradictory. Have you asked Maribyrnong Council about it? Registered in England. The intersection of Flinders Lane and Spring St got the lights downgrade (from zebra crossing) a while back, and the light default was no pedestrian green. Introducing the Soap Scoop podcast! One of those was on the phone as well.
Is this a zebra crossing, or not? Well they have to either stop or run me over as I got that annoyed with standing there waiting for cars to let me cross I now just walk straight across them. But with only a single lane of traffic (which very rarely gets a green), and few vehicles actually using it, few pedestrians bothered to press the button and wait. Hi Simon Russsell its possible the more recently introduced AustRoads Guide to Road Design Part 6a (Pedestrian and Cyclist Paths) and the VicRoads Supplement have covered off on some of the cyclist issues in more detail/more appropriately. There must be a sign on both sides of the road facing each approach. It appears the lights were originally a conventional non-zebra crossing when the road was narrowed a few years ago. In the US crossing buttons are not nearly as common as they are here and nearly all of the ones that they do have over there don’t light up or beep to let the user know that they have activated the process to change the lights. The pedestrian crossing sign (walking legs) must only be used in conjunction with the white striped linemarking on the pavement of the road crossing as defined in Road Rule 81(3). I stopped for someone about to cross at a zebra crossing (as is the law) and someone like you decided it was optional and rear-ended me. Interesting link (the VicRoads one).
I've almost got run over about four times because I had stepped onto the crossing and so had right of way and the driver decided they still did. But how many drivers know the essence of zebra crossing? Listen now for interviews with the biggest soap stars and all the latest spoilers - available on every major podcast app , As you approach a zebra crossing look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross, allow more time for stopping on wet or icy roads, do not wave or use your horn to invite pedestrians across; this could be dangerous if another vehicle is approaching, be aware of pedestrians approaching from the side of the crossing.
I have probably crossed at this very crossing.
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Road Rules – Victoria requires that if a driver is turning left using a slip lane, the driver must give way to any pedestrian on the slip lane.
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Is this a zebra crossing, or not? Removing the zebra stripes and making the green man the default, unless a vehicle activates the green light against it, would probably be the logical thing here. Unfortunately its very easy to just paint lines on the road without the correct attention being paid leading to situations like the one you have shown above with non compliant crossings which could lead to unfortunate and avoidable accidents. I had a failed attempt to get Melbourne City Council to make a default pedestrian green, given volume at that location, and then success when I tried again almost a year later (it’s now default green at least 7-7, Monday to Friday). There is no obligation to stop and usually I will, but the other day I was in a rush, didnt have time to stop and the stupid cow starting screaming abuse and waving her hands at me.:D. and Flinders St. if there are not too many cars as is often the case before 7 AM when I go to work. http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Moreinfoandservices/RoadManagementAndDesign/DesignStandardsManualsNotes/TrafficEngineeringManual/Vol1TrafficManagement.htm.
Rea Life 4,428 views While I know that this is technically J walking I have never been stopped. This is the corner of Nicholson and Droop Streets, in Footscray.
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And if they don't have the flashing amber lights, (which most retail park ones don't), as on normal roads, these are not proper zebra crossings. Which really makes you wonder — how does a design like that actually get through a council process? It appears the lights were originally a conventional non-zebra crossing when the road was narrowed a few years ago. It is considered that this rule should provide adequate protection for pedestrians crossing low volume left turn slip lanes without the need for any supporting signs or road markings. Movember day 4 - finally something to see. https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.807278,145.028583,3a,75y,59.88h,69.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1slaJ0l2DgF5muHuqdwy6iig!2e0. Although I do stop for them, there is no obligation to do so. I’m confused. | Australia's Road Safety Programs & News Stories, Melbourne public transport – Significant service changes, originally a conventional non-zebra crossing, http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Moreinfoandservices/RoadManagementAndDesign/DesignStandardsManualsNotes/TrafficEngineeringManual/Vol1TrafficManagement.htm, https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.807278,145.028583,3a,75y,59.88h,69.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1slaJ0l2DgF5muHuqdwy6iig!2e0, http://www.danielbowen.com/2014/05/19/zebra-crossing-or-not/.
This is probably a left over habit from crossing streets in the US for so many years. Default red for peds, and even while road traffic along Lonsdale gets a green, peds do not. The problem with car detection can be that faulty loops and smaller vehicles like motor bikes sometimes require a back up timed phase to also run.
More confusion on line marking – there doesn’t appear to be the normal Stop line prior to the lights for vehicles in Nicholson St. Chappter 4 of Volume 1 of the traffic engineering manual covers pedestrian facilities. Unlike in Australia pushing a US crossing button usually seems to have no effect on how fast the light changes.
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